by PNN Staff
For the last few weeks Ted Gullickson of the San Francisco Tenants Union began staging protests in front of several open houses in San Francisco - open houses which used to belong to elder tenants, many of whom were African-American and/or low income - open houses being sold as vacant units or as tenants in common units (TIC's) -many of whom were being sold by Monarch Realty. Two weeks ago, we covered and particpated in a protest at 308 Scott street in San Francisco.
At the scene of the "housing crime" PNN staff interviewed Dan Gosset from Monarch Realty who gave his opinion of the protesters as well as the then pending ballot measure, Proposition N, which would have put a stop to evictions for TIC's or condo conversion, but was ultimately defeated in the November election.
Dan Gossett:"I’m representing the seller and I’m not having the sellers property taken over by protesters, you’re welcome to protest outside"
PoorNewsNetwork: "Are you the Realtor?"
DG: I’m the broker, owner of the company-yes."
PNN: How many units are there?"
DG:There are four units, this building was "ellised acted."
PNN: "How many units are in the property and how much are they going for?"
DG: "Well, actually there are four units in the property-we aren’t selling units we’re selling T I C interests [Tenants In Common] in the whole building.
People own the building together as a whole, that is one of the things your legislation’s (prop N) is attempting to speak to but its not being sold as exclusive occupancy rights."
PNN: "How do you feel about the protesters?"
DG: "Hey, I grew up in the 60’s everyone has a right to protest, the other thing I ask is they let people come and go as they should-and they’re welcome to continue their protest."
PNN: "Can I just ask you-do you understand the feelings behind the protest?"
DG: " Absolutely, you know I ... I am a San Francisco resident, I’m also a person very committed to working with people - such as artists who are being displaced, my company helps artists-some artists who are able to purchase... we work with sellers in putting things together such as TIC’s which alow them opportunities they otherwise wouldn’t have; also I think what is unfortunate is... I think its really important that we look at this as a city wide issue and a shared responsibility... Affordable, low income housing is a problem in our city and what solutions can we come up for this... I’m very supportive of it - unfortunately this legislation I don’t think is the best route to go."
PNN "Which one is That?"
DG: "Proposition N, one its anti-gay, its anti- non traditional couple, there’s lots of things about it that just... are bad for tenants and also bad for the city at large?" But does it bring attention to a really growing problem in our city - and that is affordable housing."
PNN: "What did you think about L [Prop. L] that whole measure that’s on the ballot about what’s going on in the Mission all over?"
DG:"At this point I’m opposed to that (L) as well."
PNN: "Why do you think that N is anti-gay?"
DG: "Because it does not allow for a vehicle in which I... and my life partner can work with If ‘want to will my interest to that person - under this legislation I can’t do that, its not well thought out legislation it was attempt I think to have an impact on Ellis Acted buildings and certainly Tenant In Common interests in the city - and from that standpoint; it had an impact but its not really dealing with the major problem in the city which is affordable housing"
PNN: "Do you know how many properties that your company represents are dealing T I C’s conversions?"
DG: "We have several T I C’s and have dealt with T I C’s in the past, I’ve been a broker for years at another company - so T I C is just a form of ownership, the exclusive rights of the occupancy is the question with this not Tenants Common interests-because that’s simply a vehicle to own property."
PNN: "Did you say what company your from?"
DG"I’m from the Monarch group."
PNN "Thanks."
We then interviewed Ted Gulickson from the San Francisco Tenants Union-
PNN: "Ted, can I get you to say a couple of things? what is the T I C legislation about?
TG: "... what is says in a nut- shell if you sell a unit individually it can only be sold persuant to the condo conversion law - what that means is that senior cannot be evicted for condo conversions, it means, that there can only be 200 conversions a year, and right now what we’re seeing... Tenancy’s In Common being used to get around the condo conversion law so evictions and conversions are unlimited and senior and disabled tenants can be evicted; so what prop. N means is that whenever you sell a unit individually it can only be done persuent to the condo law. The sale of these particular units is illegal under prop N. and so we want to stop the sale of these units."
PNN: "Where are we today and what are we doing here today?"
TG:This building at 308 Scott Street is a building which all of the tenants were evicted under the Ellis Act including some senior tenants - they were evicted the day after Christmas last year. [1999] The realtor who had bought the building this Monarch Group evicted the people the day after Christmas because there were ammendments to the Ellis Act which took affect on January 1st. which would have required that the seniors here get a one year’s notice; instead they rushed the evictions to make sure they only had to give ‘em 60 day notice-subsequence to that when all the tenants moved out they began advertising the units as vacant because prop. M has a retroactive effect the date of July we’ve been pretty much able to chill the T I C market over the summer and they’ve only been able to sell one of these units and they’re making a final push to try to sell the units before prop.M comes into affect."
PNN: "Can you tell us how many other units of the Monarch Group have done T I Cs?"
TG "They are a fairly small company but they have three other T I C’s that they’ve done recently - one on Noe Street, I forget the address of other one but pretty much everything they do is T I C’s."
PNN "What do you think of prop. L?"
TG: "Prop. L is also the important measure on the ballot to stop gentrification and evictions. Where prop. N will stop evictions such as these, prop. L will have a great impact of reducing the gentrifiying effect in San Francisco which is ‘kinda a lot of the fuel for these because-here we have half a million dollar condo’s and its the Dotcom’s workers, its the people coming into San Francisco with a lot of stock market wealth, very wealthy people who are buying up these units so we need to stop the demand for half a million dollar condo’s for one thing and the real estate speculators the Monarch Group are making a killing evicting tenants then selling all the units as condominiums."
PNN: "Your process of protesting open houses we think is brilliant , could you comment on your strategy?"
TG: "We actually want to stop the sales of the units, we want this building returned back to the rental market, if we can stop the sale of the units via these actions, and prop. N then the owners of these buildings will have no other choice but to rent the units. Our goals... this is basic direct action-we ‘wanna stop the sale of the units and we’ve been successful at doing that."
PNN:, Thank you."
PNN interviewed a former tenant, Mrs. E, that was evicted from the building.
PNN: "Say your name and tell when you got evicted?"
E: "We got evicted... I lived right up at 116 Lion Street, we right between these two streets, its been about a year and a half last November; not only were we evicted I had only ten days to be out and the guy went into the house and took my stuff out the house and set it on the sidewalk - everybody had a big free sale by taking my furniture and stuff; and I been ‘livin there 20 years."
PNN "And is this your daughter, what’s her name?"
E: "Jennifer"
PM: "Are you now living with your mom?"
E: "No, We’re trying to find her a place to live that she can get in and out of... where they relocated her to she has to go up four steep flights of steps that she can’t walk, you see her knees are swollen up!
PNN "Sounds familiar."
J: … and we’re still trying to find her a place, and the rent is so high over here... [San Francisco] The rent is so high you can’t move back in."
PNN: "The same thing with Oakland, I just came from over there, same thing over there." They just want to put everybody...they ‘wanna push us all out."
E: "We can’t move anywhere, the poor and seniors can’t move anywhere.I’m 48, we’ve livin been here all my life."
PNN: "That’s why we can’t stop fighting this"
PNN interviews Iris Biblowitz, one of the protestors,
PNN: Do you think Proposition is M is anti-gay ?"
IB" "Not at all, its pro-gay I’m gay, I’m a lesbian, its anti-gay landlords maybe anti-gay rich people who want to evict people from their homes and sell condominiums for five hundred thousand; maybe its anti-gay realtors. But its not anti-gay poor folks, working poor, poor middle class folks who are tenants who are just trying to make a decent living be honest and not lose their home."
PNN: "What’s your name?"
IB: "Iris Biblowitz, its a class thing to say its anti-gay is absolutely a lie and a distortion."
Prop N did not pass but in a follow-up interview with the SF Tenants Union, Ted explained that they will proceed with the legislation on a statewide level as well as locally with The newly appointed board of supervisors so they can prevent real estate speculators like Monarch Realty from using the Ellis act to illegally evict tenants in San FRanciasco or to use the words of one of the chants; "Realtor.. Realtor.. bad bad bad!!….
To get involved with the continuing efforts to protest illegal open houses call the San Francisco Tenents Union at (415) 282-5525
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